Public sentiment is overwhelmingly negative and skeptical about the US-China trade deal negotiations, with many commenters expressing frustration over a perceived lack of transparency and repeat failures. There's widespread cynicism toward the term 'framework', regarded as a euphemism for empty promises rather than meaningful progress. Overall, the public feels disillusioned with the negotiation process, suspecting it is more about posturing than achieving real outcomes.

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This is the 4th time we see the same headline. QQQ went from $400 to $618 in the meantime

Ok_Voice_879

Is a framework of a deal like the concepts of a plan?

007meow

This is not a framework of a deal. It's a framework of a meeting to take place to discuss a framework that will be agreed too but not signed in to anything official between to two countries.    Wrap that shit around your head.

slick2hold

Oh nice, another framework on talks about a memorandum of trade negotiations 🥳

notreallydeep

I couldn’t be any more tired of this. How many times have we seen this same headline over the last 3 months only for it to reverse.

Canada has a signed deal too, and looks where that’s at. The deals, even if they go through, are only temporary and the words aren’t worth any more than the paper they’re written on.

DramaticDirection292

This has been the greatest period of market manipulation in our times. Very hard to see if the genie can be put back in the bottle or has the system been so debased that we've reached a new era. 

Snoo87653

Lmao, give a few weeks before trump tweets “THE CHINESE HAS BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR FAR TOO LONG. 150% TARIFF DEC 1ST”

Altruistic-Room2683

according to chinese source (from my colleagues in china):

Li Chenggang: After more than a day of highly intense discussions, both China and the United States have constructively explored solutions to properly address issues of mutual concern, forming a preliminary consensus.
Breaking News · 4 minutes ago
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Li Chenggang, Representative for International Trade Negotiations and Vice Minister of the Ministry of Commerce of China,
stated on the 26th that the discussions between the two sides covered numerous topics, such as export control issues of concern to both parties, the issue of further extending the suspension period for reciprocal tariffs, fentanyl tariffs and fentanyl anti-drug cooperation issues, the issue of further expanding trade, U.S. Section 301 measures related to ship fees, and so on. Both China and the United States conducted constructive discussions on these matters. The U.S. side expressed a firm stance, while the Chinese side resolutely safeguarded its interests. After more than a day of highly intense discussions, both sides constructively explored the aforementioned issues.

FormalAd7367

It is always funny how the Chinese negotiators always downplay every discussion with Bessent/Greer meanwhile they always come out like they've struck an amazing deal.

Unlike 2016 China is now a much larger player in every respect. And have a huge amount of leverage, which they have been preparing for years to use.

These trade disputes hurt both sides sure, but due to the political cycle nature of US government and the fact China is an authoritarian one party state, China can afford to play a long game while the US adminstration always needs a quick win. Meaning the US will always compromise, especially with mid terms coming up, and American farmers/ranchers etc grumbling in red states that they have been "sold out".

Essentially, I don't see an outcome here that is "favourable" to the US. Trump is TACO for a reason as the markets recognise all of the above. They will get all of what they want (tariffs dropped, advanced chips etc) and the US will get some token soybean purchases. And tariffs being dropped is great for the market, great for the US consumer, and bad for Trumps ego and 19th century world view.

Putaineska

I feel like this is déjà vu. Didn’t both sides meet like a couple of months ago to “reach a framework of a trade deal” or was that just foreplay.

RickRogue69

No-one wants to put efforts into multi-year long trade deals only to see it rejected for some triviality. I presume these frameworks are there to keep the negotiators busy and at least keep communications channels open.

hmmm_

Till the fat dingbat has a twitter meltdown tomorrow because he saw a meme of him sucking off xi.

CanadianTeslaGuy

The Chinese are concerned that any deal with the US will just be broken, so they want protections in place in the deal that holds the US accountable. 

The US is looking for a man who was over 55 years old before got his first smart phone to post that the deal is done and it's America winning again.

Conscious-Material16

This is it bros. Months of economic whiplash, loss of goodwill and rise of consumer goods are nothing now that we have... yet ANOTHER concept for a framework for a deal.

90 days.

forsen_capybara

Great, so they decided on the meeting agenda (is literally ALL this means)

Scared_Step4051

Calling bullshit. They never do anything but lose to China.

ErictheAgnostic

The framework is to ask China to stop selling US treasuries and hoarding gold.

Clearwater_9196

Concept of a deal…just like every other country with nothing to keep it from changing again into two weeks when the President sees an ad he doesn’t like.

imdaviddunn

I mean that’s nice and all, then a month later Trump will break the deal again so that he can distract from other poor economic news.

LodossDX

"We've just dusted the rug. It's a very lovely rug."

anorakflakjacket

Concepts of a plan I guess. Markets will rally and someone will make money for sure.

Later this week, we will learn that Trump threw our farmers, car companies and others down the toilet and will make China great again.

lushootseed

Excellent! I need a few more weeks like last week. Give me the October and December cuts and we’re set up for a nice 5-10% rally into the end of the year!

TrashPanda_924

stickman07738

1.8 trillion dollar deficit, even if all of the tariff madness stops good luck tackling that I cannot wait when the time comes when interest on the debt will be 40% of the National budget.

Khorsir

Isn't this the third time they've announced a framework? Whatever. SPY to the moon.

DoggedStooge

DisastrousCopy7361

So another pump and then in two weeks the "deal" is forgotten again and Trump threatens one billion percent tarriffs.

RichRate6164

If you do a diff between this version and the last version, it returns nothing. Basically the same as the last one.

TheTideRider

xmod3563

Isn't this the easiest year to trade in stocks? Each time he announces tariffs and stocks drop, just buy and by the weekend, the issues are mysteriously resolved and we have a good jump on Monday stocks.


##tldr; buy end of week, sell the news by Monday.

ThrowawayAl2018

Don’t they have a framework of a deal every few months and it goes nowhere?

free_username_

More headline bullshit . Anything to create a higher market

Scott7894

Pretty meaningless if within a week's time Pedo in Chief decides to declare Tariffs on goods for a 1000% or some shit.

Sir_Meowsalot

Sparky-Man

circuitji

U.S. will remove all tariffs on China and China will not stop any rare earth minerals and buys soybeans. 

Basically, back to status-quo before Trump took office, all the huffing and puffing and threats and what-have-you and we're back to how things were, brilliant.

cbusoh66

Here we go with that 'framework' word again..

IcestormsEd

This is great news for the market. We will see massive gains, green Monday and green week for sure.

dummybob

NoRiskNoGainz

Anything other than "we have a deal" is just blowing smoke up the media and the market's ass.

luv2block

Framework of a framework of a framework of a deal. Once a deal is signed and it's not 100% tariffs, then ping me. Thanks for your attention Don.

chingy1337

OOPS, REMEMBER THE LAST TRUMPY TRADE DEAL??

President Trump stunned many in the tech world after announcing a controversial deal with chipmakers Nvidia and Advanced Micro Devices, allowing them to sell advanced artificial intelligence chips to China in exchange for giving the U.S. government a 15 percent cut of their revenue.

Now there are questions about the legality of this deal and its implications for national security and beyond.

  
Orange moron got played by China, who cut off rare earth inputs 2 months later.

PatBenatari

Vegetable-Regret2814

Happy to hear we've arrived at a framework for a concept of an outline of a potential planned deal

begouveia

Tim_Apple_938

It depends on what bets Barrons' made. 

If he bought calls, green candles.

If he bought puts, red candles.

Daddy will always help.

kenzi28

&gt;Officially reached a deal with zero details

Sorry but the details are reserved for special insiders and wealthy friends ONLY. Retail investors will get the specifics later once the big players have made their moves

point_of_you

omega_grainger69

There are concepts of a framework of a conceptual plan

Antifragile_Glass

didn't Trump write a book called Art of the Deal or something? Is this the art? 🤣

SqurrrlMarch

Sick_by_me

dakameltua

pump first then dump later but overall still up.

WE going 7000 SPX by end nov

AltruisticDBS

MmNicecream

No concepts of a deal, but no deal, right?

namotous

insomniac8994

masstransience

Acrobatic_Feel

softDisk-60

So are tarriffs supposed to be a negotiating tool or a way to boost domestic manufacturing and make the other country pay money to the US? If its the latter, why are they dropped after tentative deals?

KiraJosuke

This trade deal is still quite fragile because:

* USA still depends on China for rare earth
* China could still bring restrictions back at any time

So for the USA, if they don't want to allow China to play games with rare earth, then they are going to have to dramatically speed up rare earth investment/production because I don't think they want to be in this situation again and allow China to maintain negotiation leverage.

joe4942

Blueskyminer

okwtf00

Agreement to agree to meet to end the tariffs before the deal.

Proot65

What's the over/under for the number of days before Trump slaps more tariffs on China?  I'm picking 26 (Friday, Nov 21st).

ptwonline

TACO once again backed down from all his boasting.

Compayo

They have a framework of a concept of a deal.

Basement_Chicken

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Parms84

Good news is that they reached a framework. Bad news is that they always have reached some kind of framework, because TBH we all know what we want.

Motobugs

InternetSlave

So how many frameworks need to be done? I swear I’ve seen like 3 frameworks already. When is the actual deal gonna get sign

domomymomo

HeatWaveToTheCrowd

If real then then very bullish for the market tomorrow.

It was already going to be a huge week with companies like Google going to blow out estimates.

bartturner

shaktimann13

Best "trade" of the year continues to be buy and hold through the noise

chrisco571

phenix_igloo

They need to stop imposing port fees. Otherwise, there won't be any deal.

LargeSinkholesInNYC

Taco basically back to square one.  Glad I got chances to buy and add

Agreeable-Purpose-56

Left-Associate3911

Underradar0069

Ferrari_tech

4th framework announcement. Must be a hell of a framework.

bipolarbear326

Dry-University797

ReFreshing

Taco trade. At this point this is pretty clear that trump and China are just working together and profiting by manipulating stockmarket.

111anza

“reach framework of a trade deal”. 

Lololol.  Sure whatever.

BigMissileWallStreet

neurapathy

Fucking ridiculous that the media keeps stroking Trump off for “concepts of a deal”

They treat it like he’s made some huge accomplishment every time he talks to someone. Democrats don’t get this special treatment. Maybe they should threaten the fucking media.

Y0___0Y

I have a framework of how to get my bank account to a billion dollars

Airmanoops

stormywoofer

Stocks will go to the moon!!!! Hell yeah!! this president makes us rich 💰

I mean the us trade negotiators are shit but Chinese trade negotiators are just as shitty as the us ones lol

NY10

DrCalFun

I understand that China is taking the long term view and that hurting America will also hurt China, but for the life of me these retreats makes China look weak and America strong. Is China just going to give in without getting anything back?

Any-Morning4303

How many times have we had a framework since January?

IWouldntIn1981

Relative-Ad-6791

They said they had a deal like two months ago.  They’re going to keep doing this for years, aren’t they.

Location_Next

Tao_Eternal

Sell this week, wait for the next tariff announcement and buy again. Clockwork.

Banned3rdTimesaCharm

The United States and China are nearing a trade agreement as President Trump and Xi Jinping prepare for a critical meeting. Officials report a 'preliminary consensus' on key issues, including tariffs and trade in agricultural products. Notably, Trump's threat of 100% tariffs on Chinese goods is said to be 'off the table.' The deal aims to address tensions related to export controls on rare earth materials and enhance agricultural trade.

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